Chongqing’s residents have Raj Kapoor in their heart, world’s biggest dam on drawing board
SONIA TRIKHA SHUKLA
CHONGQING, SEPTEMBER 6: RAJ Kapoor will never know it, but he has something in common with Arundhati Roy. The actor-director-producer and the script-writer-turned-author meet faraway from their country of origin, in a land of Kapoor fans and big dams. In Chongqing city in south-west China, it’s a bit tough to believe that Hindi-Chini bhai bhai was the first casualty of the 1962 Indo-China war.
Awara hoon wafts through the smoky air of Chongqing’s hippest karaoke club. Chongqing TV’s biggest news broadcaster, Zhou Xiaohui, is holding stage. As People’s Liberation Army officers and foreigners from England and the United States look on, she flawlessly sings what she says is her favourite number, the ‘‘best I have ever heard’’. ‘‘It’s a wonderful tune, and Raj Kapoor and Nargis are the most beautiful couple,’’ she smiles.
Zhou is joined by Wan Xian, who can sing his favourite, Mausam Beeta Jaye from Bimal Roy’s Do Bigha Zameen. He even tells you why it is his favourite: ‘‘During the Cultural Revolution, I was purged for my liberal views and I had no friends for many years. But I had this one song for company.’’
Another fan Lin Hai is deeply hurt when he learns that the showman died years ago. Hai was part of the Red Guard in 1967, and as he travelled through China’s countryside to spread Chairman Mao’s message, he had Awara Hoon for company.
But Hindi film ditties aren’t the only reason the residents of Chongqing, south-west China’s most developed and most populated city (a 31 million population), are interested in India. Chongqing is where the Three Gorges Dam, the world’s largest hydro-electric project, is located. The Chinese may have devoured Arundhati Roy’s novel God of Small Things, but they are putting several miles between her views on big dams and theirs.
Massive in scale, ambitious in imagination, the Three Gorges Dam is ‘‘just like the Narmada dam is for you’’, says journalist Liu Qingyu. It is projected to generate 18,200 megawatts of power for provinces in south, east and central China. When completed, it will stretch across nearly a mile and tower 575 feet over the Yangtze, the world’s third longest river.
Construction for the dam began in 1994 and is scheduled to end in 2009, at a cost of over $24 billion. Its reservoir would stretch over 350 miles upstream. And, force the displacement of close to 1.2 million people. Sounds familiar?
When the dam gets built, over 13 cities, 140 towns, more than 1,600 villages and 300 factories will be submerged. Though Chongqing wants the dam, since its largest stretch, nearly 600 km, runs through the city, there are several opponents lined up on the other side of the banks.
The displaced are being housed in neighbouring areas, but the land they have received is less fertile than the Gorges area. Then, there is the age-old issue of sentiment. ‘‘People tell you they are willing to give up their land, but not their homeland,’’ says Liu.
Displacement has also resulted in a rise in crime in the region, say journalists: recently, a Buddha carving was stolen from the 900-year-old Dazu grottos near Chongqing. Though nearly two billion yuan ($250 million) was kept aside for excavation and preservation of artefacts in the region, the amount was slashed to 300 million ($37.5 million). Only a fraction of that sum has been distributed to local authorities since government officials have been unable to decide which agency should handle the money.
International criticism against the project has mounted, but the pro-dam lobby in Chongqing is suitably inspired by its pro-Narmada counterpart. This, says Mu Feng Jing of the Chongqing Daily, a Communist Party mouthpiece, is a sign that India and China as developing countries must cooperate. The world’s last big dams will be built in Asia’s two fastest developing economies, says Jing.
He has but one regret: India, unlike France or other western countries, hasn’t lent a hand to the Three Gorges project. But he is more sympathetic when he learns about India’s problems in completing its own dam. He thinks his government is more successful in ‘‘arranging’’ these matters of development.
Just today, in fact, the official Xinhua news agency reported from Chongqing that over 100,000 people from south-west China were resettled to build the dam.
The Indian Express
September 7, 2001
Thursday, July 30, 2009
Click on Playstation Kosovo
By Sonia Trikha Shukla
Now that the declaration of the unilateral ceasefire by the Yugoslav government has come and gone, NATO bombing can continue without that minor irritant. The ceasefire did seem an overreaction since NATO is not really waging a war. Especially not on the people of Yugoslavia. Every now and then one of the leaders from the NATO countries gets before a tele-prompter and starts telling the Serbians that they don't hate them and their fight is not against them. For that express purpose, special broadcasts are made to the Balkans. God knows who is watching them and, even more unlikely, is there anyone who believes them?
A few days ago, it was US President Bill Clinton and his Sec-retary of State Madeleine Albright (currently described as the evil witch with snake eyes over in the Balkans) who said their war is not against the Serbs (the fact that they are being killed is only incidental) but against Slobodan Milosevic.
More recently, Tony Blair sang an echo of the Clinton words in that suspiciously sincere,agitated tone which is peculiar only to someone who has lived in Islington. On the 14th day of allied bombing raids, NATO planes struck an oil refinery near Serbia's second city, Novi Sad, and destroyed a railway bridge over the Danube linking the border town of Bogojevo, 100 miles northwest of Belgrade, to Erdut, in Croatia. Allied planes hit at least five Serbian towns.
Among the targets was the residential area of the central town of Aleksinac, where five people were killed and 30 wounded, it was claimed. While the fireworks continued Blair was telling Montenegrin television: ``We have no quarrel with the people of Serbia or Yugoslavia. Indeed, we respect them. We've nothing but goodwill towards you.'' Strange way he's got of showing it.This, while the Commander of Operation Allied Force makes unmasked proclamations: ``We know where you are and we are coming after you.''
Meanwhile, his military spokesperson Air Commodore David Wilby holds the press in thrall at the NATO headquarters in Brussels as hepositions the mouse over the video replay window. Click! Splash! A Serbian aircraft repair shop was, in the immortal words of Supreme Commander Wesley Clark, ``degraded, disrupted, devastated and destroyed''. ``This technology really is amazing,'' gushed the air commodore.
Welcome to Playstation Kosovo, a 64-bit, fin de siecle fantasy game in which Messrs Clinton and Blair avert ``a humanitarian disaster in Kosovo'' and ``a broader regional conflict'' by ``degrading'' the brutal dictator's murder machine. Click! Splash! Nothing could be simpler.
Certainly not exercising the option of sending in brave, effective (but costly) ground troops. The world is being sold a bright, shining, precision-guided fallacy that Slobodan will stand still, wringing his hands and not make the Kosovo Albanians pay with their lives for wearing T-shirts urging NATO to Just Do It.
The over 400,000 Kosovar refugees in Albania bear a bleeding testimony to the murderous revenge of Slobodan Milosevic. And it isn't over yet.His latest ploy to close his borders and hem in the Kosovars with gun-point promises of safety while he landmines the area around their homeland and assures further days of misery for those who called on the West to ensure their safety. When Clinton said, ``The United States takes care of its own,'' he forgot to add, ``and of no else''.
To misquote Channel 4 filmmaker Dan Reed who was in Kosovo before all hell broke loose there: ``It would appear that the Balkans' road to hell is being paved with the West's good intentions.''
The Indian Express
April 13, 1999
Now that the declaration of the unilateral ceasefire by the Yugoslav government has come and gone, NATO bombing can continue without that minor irritant. The ceasefire did seem an overreaction since NATO is not really waging a war. Especially not on the people of Yugoslavia. Every now and then one of the leaders from the NATO countries gets before a tele-prompter and starts telling the Serbians that they don't hate them and their fight is not against them. For that express purpose, special broadcasts are made to the Balkans. God knows who is watching them and, even more unlikely, is there anyone who believes them?
A few days ago, it was US President Bill Clinton and his Sec-retary of State Madeleine Albright (currently described as the evil witch with snake eyes over in the Balkans) who said their war is not against the Serbs (the fact that they are being killed is only incidental) but against Slobodan Milosevic.
More recently, Tony Blair sang an echo of the Clinton words in that suspiciously sincere,agitated tone which is peculiar only to someone who has lived in Islington. On the 14th day of allied bombing raids, NATO planes struck an oil refinery near Serbia's second city, Novi Sad, and destroyed a railway bridge over the Danube linking the border town of Bogojevo, 100 miles northwest of Belgrade, to Erdut, in Croatia. Allied planes hit at least five Serbian towns.
Among the targets was the residential area of the central town of Aleksinac, where five people were killed and 30 wounded, it was claimed. While the fireworks continued Blair was telling Montenegrin television: ``We have no quarrel with the people of Serbia or Yugoslavia. Indeed, we respect them. We've nothing but goodwill towards you.'' Strange way he's got of showing it.This, while the Commander of Operation Allied Force makes unmasked proclamations: ``We know where you are and we are coming after you.''
Meanwhile, his military spokesperson Air Commodore David Wilby holds the press in thrall at the NATO headquarters in Brussels as hepositions the mouse over the video replay window. Click! Splash! A Serbian aircraft repair shop was, in the immortal words of Supreme Commander Wesley Clark, ``degraded, disrupted, devastated and destroyed''. ``This technology really is amazing,'' gushed the air commodore.
Welcome to Playstation Kosovo, a 64-bit, fin de siecle fantasy game in which Messrs Clinton and Blair avert ``a humanitarian disaster in Kosovo'' and ``a broader regional conflict'' by ``degrading'' the brutal dictator's murder machine. Click! Splash! Nothing could be simpler.
Certainly not exercising the option of sending in brave, effective (but costly) ground troops. The world is being sold a bright, shining, precision-guided fallacy that Slobodan will stand still, wringing his hands and not make the Kosovo Albanians pay with their lives for wearing T-shirts urging NATO to Just Do It.
The over 400,000 Kosovar refugees in Albania bear a bleeding testimony to the murderous revenge of Slobodan Milosevic. And it isn't over yet.His latest ploy to close his borders and hem in the Kosovars with gun-point promises of safety while he landmines the area around their homeland and assures further days of misery for those who called on the West to ensure their safety. When Clinton said, ``The United States takes care of its own,'' he forgot to add, ``and of no else''.
To misquote Channel 4 filmmaker Dan Reed who was in Kosovo before all hell broke loose there: ``It would appear that the Balkans' road to hell is being paved with the West's good intentions.''
The Indian Express
April 13, 1999
‘Al Qaeda has infiltrated Harkat, Lashkar & Jaish, they want to increase heat in Valley’
Excerpts from an Interview with Rohan Gunaratna with Sonia Trikha Shukla
Rohan Gunaratna has written six books on armed conflicts in the world. His expertise on terrorism has always found respect among students of the subject, but it is his body of knowledge on the first multinational terrorist group, the Al Qaeda, that has seen him address worried world leaders at the United Nations, the US Congress, the Australian Parliament and other parts of the globe. Gunaratna, a research fellow at the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St Andrews in Scotland, was in New Delhi for the launch of his book, Inside Al Qaeda.
When did we first have evidence of Al Qaeda operations in India?
Originally, the plan was to attack the US embassy in India to coincide with the US diplomatic targets in Tanzania and Kenya. The operation was disrupted due to the arrest of a number of Al Qaeda operatives, especially the Sudanese member who was arrested in New Delhi. Now, the Al Qaeda has infiltrated three Pakistani and Kashmiri groups: Harkat, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Toiba. They shared operational training and infrastructure with the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan before 9/11.
How does the Al Qaeda influence their operations?
Their ideologies are influenced by Osama’s organisation in three ways. They conduct suicide bombings, which are the hallmark of Al Qaeda. And they all attack the heart of the government, that is New Delhi. Finally, they have all attacked and killed foreigners. The Harkat did it in Kashmir, the Jaish recently killed Daniel Pearl in Pakistan. Their influence comes through infiltration. Al Qaeda is under pressure from the international coalition, so it is now operating through other groups by funding their operations. Evidence of this can be found in the recent attacks in Pakistan on diplomatic targets and churches. This is the Al Qaeda operating through front and sympathetic organisations like Jaish and others.
How is Al Qaeda different from other terrorist organisations in the world?
The Al Qaeda is unique among terrorist outfits. Its ideology is to create universal jehad. The Kashmiri groups want jehad only in Kashmir, the Hamas only in Palestine, the Islamic Jehad only in Egypt, but the Al Qaeda wants to bring jehad to the whole world.
Their strategy is: first, launch attacks themselves like the one on the World Trade Center. That is the sort of thing that inspires, instigates other Islamic groups. The other thing is: provide support to these groups.
Also, the Al Qaeda’s targetting and tactics are different. It does not want to take out 20 targets in a year. It wants to take out two but they must always be high profile and high prestige targets like the US embassies, USS Cole and the World Trade Center. Because through these, it wants to inspire other movements who in turn launch their own small attacks. In March 1988, Al Qaeda’s launch document called it the ‘‘spearhead of Islam’’ .
So how does one respond?
They are very secretive and clandestine. So the way we respond needs to be carefully thought out. We need to invest more time and energy and more resources into infiltrating the Al Qaeda. Or we can’t protect ourselves. It has global reach. Their membership comes from more than 40 nationalities and it operates in 94 countries. You need a multinational approach and high-grade intelligence. You need human intelligence by infiltrating them, not just intelligence through intercepted communications.
Even Israel’s Mossad that infiltrated state sponsors of terrorism like Syria has not been able to infiltrate the terrorist networks.
Absolutely. The thing is, we need to penetrate terrorist organisations, not the state sponsors. This is the New Game. These are more difficult because they are ideologically driven but it is not impossible. You need to be persistent and patient. The US took five years to penetrate the Hizbollah after they killed 241 US Marines in Beirut in 1983. That is the sort of time you need. But that is also the time period when the world is most vulnerable to attacks.
Do you think by destroying the Terror Inc network through the post-9/11 effort and forcing decentralisation on Al Qaeda, the world has only multiplied the threat from Al Qaeda?
That's true. The Al Qaeda cells are smaller now, they’re self-contained and clandestine and harder to infiltrate. The strategic threat to the world is graver now. The leadership is intact, its ideology is intact. For every 3-5 members who are killed they have 5-10 more recruits.
Nearly a year after 9/11 how do you assess the US-led effort to neutralise the Al Qaeda?
I think it has been a failure. Their biggest failure was their inability to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, Mullah Omar. Unless these three are killed or caught the US cannot say they have been successful. The Al Qaeda can replenish its human losses and material wastage as long as these leaders are alive. What the US has done is only destroy their training camps. As a result, the Al Qaeda has decentralised operations into regional theatres like Somalia, Indonesia, Yemen, Chechnya, the Pankshi Valley in Georgia and others. This means that the Al Qaeda will survive for a longer period.
So what is their strategy?
There is no evidence that they are deserting Afghanistan. On the contrary, Al Qaeda and renegade Taliban elements are mobilising on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border to wage a sustained campaign. They want to repeat the Soviet experience and for this, they need Pakistan as a rear base. To this end they want to kill Musharraf and establish a friendly, neutral government there. They want to increase the temperature in Kashmir through their front groups so that Pakistani forces from the Afghan border will be redeployed on the Indian border. The Al Qaeda can then reestablish lines of communications and recruits into Afghanistan.
The Indian Express
30 August 2002
Rohan Gunaratna has written six books on armed conflicts in the world. His expertise on terrorism has always found respect among students of the subject, but it is his body of knowledge on the first multinational terrorist group, the Al Qaeda, that has seen him address worried world leaders at the United Nations, the US Congress, the Australian Parliament and other parts of the globe. Gunaratna, a research fellow at the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St Andrews in Scotland, was in New Delhi for the launch of his book, Inside Al Qaeda.
When did we first have evidence of Al Qaeda operations in India?
Originally, the plan was to attack the US embassy in India to coincide with the US diplomatic targets in Tanzania and Kenya. The operation was disrupted due to the arrest of a number of Al Qaeda operatives, especially the Sudanese member who was arrested in New Delhi. Now, the Al Qaeda has infiltrated three Pakistani and Kashmiri groups: Harkat, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Lashkar-e-Toiba. They shared operational training and infrastructure with the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan before 9/11.
How does the Al Qaeda influence their operations?
Their ideologies are influenced by Osama’s organisation in three ways. They conduct suicide bombings, which are the hallmark of Al Qaeda. And they all attack the heart of the government, that is New Delhi. Finally, they have all attacked and killed foreigners. The Harkat did it in Kashmir, the Jaish recently killed Daniel Pearl in Pakistan. Their influence comes through infiltration. Al Qaeda is under pressure from the international coalition, so it is now operating through other groups by funding their operations. Evidence of this can be found in the recent attacks in Pakistan on diplomatic targets and churches. This is the Al Qaeda operating through front and sympathetic organisations like Jaish and others.
How is Al Qaeda different from other terrorist organisations in the world?
The Al Qaeda is unique among terrorist outfits. Its ideology is to create universal jehad. The Kashmiri groups want jehad only in Kashmir, the Hamas only in Palestine, the Islamic Jehad only in Egypt, but the Al Qaeda wants to bring jehad to the whole world.
Their strategy is: first, launch attacks themselves like the one on the World Trade Center. That is the sort of thing that inspires, instigates other Islamic groups. The other thing is: provide support to these groups.
Also, the Al Qaeda’s targetting and tactics are different. It does not want to take out 20 targets in a year. It wants to take out two but they must always be high profile and high prestige targets like the US embassies, USS Cole and the World Trade Center. Because through these, it wants to inspire other movements who in turn launch their own small attacks. In March 1988, Al Qaeda’s launch document called it the ‘‘spearhead of Islam’’ .
So how does one respond?
They are very secretive and clandestine. So the way we respond needs to be carefully thought out. We need to invest more time and energy and more resources into infiltrating the Al Qaeda. Or we can’t protect ourselves. It has global reach. Their membership comes from more than 40 nationalities and it operates in 94 countries. You need a multinational approach and high-grade intelligence. You need human intelligence by infiltrating them, not just intelligence through intercepted communications.
Even Israel’s Mossad that infiltrated state sponsors of terrorism like Syria has not been able to infiltrate the terrorist networks.
Absolutely. The thing is, we need to penetrate terrorist organisations, not the state sponsors. This is the New Game. These are more difficult because they are ideologically driven but it is not impossible. You need to be persistent and patient. The US took five years to penetrate the Hizbollah after they killed 241 US Marines in Beirut in 1983. That is the sort of time you need. But that is also the time period when the world is most vulnerable to attacks.
Do you think by destroying the Terror Inc network through the post-9/11 effort and forcing decentralisation on Al Qaeda, the world has only multiplied the threat from Al Qaeda?
That's true. The Al Qaeda cells are smaller now, they’re self-contained and clandestine and harder to infiltrate. The strategic threat to the world is graver now. The leadership is intact, its ideology is intact. For every 3-5 members who are killed they have 5-10 more recruits.
Nearly a year after 9/11 how do you assess the US-led effort to neutralise the Al Qaeda?
I think it has been a failure. Their biggest failure was their inability to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, Mullah Omar. Unless these three are killed or caught the US cannot say they have been successful. The Al Qaeda can replenish its human losses and material wastage as long as these leaders are alive. What the US has done is only destroy their training camps. As a result, the Al Qaeda has decentralised operations into regional theatres like Somalia, Indonesia, Yemen, Chechnya, the Pankshi Valley in Georgia and others. This means that the Al Qaeda will survive for a longer period.
So what is their strategy?
There is no evidence that they are deserting Afghanistan. On the contrary, Al Qaeda and renegade Taliban elements are mobilising on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border to wage a sustained campaign. They want to repeat the Soviet experience and for this, they need Pakistan as a rear base. To this end they want to kill Musharraf and establish a friendly, neutral government there. They want to increase the temperature in Kashmir through their front groups so that Pakistani forces from the Afghan border will be redeployed on the Indian border. The Al Qaeda can then reestablish lines of communications and recruits into Afghanistan.
The Indian Express
30 August 2002
Interview with Alexey Fedorov
By: Sonia Trikha Shukla
Alexey I. Fedorov, the president of the Irkutsk Aviation Industrial Association is better known as the Sukhoi chief. Fedorov is the man who will deliver to India the most advanced combat aircraft next month. Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, during George Fernandes’ recent visit to Moscow, talked of developing the fifth generation fighter. But Fedorov, who calls the Sukhoi 30 MKI the closest thing to it, is no hurry to develop a fifth generation aircraft yet. Fedorov tells SONIA TRIKHA that this is the best plane, and that he wants to make this one last.
* Comments (like this one) added by VayuSena
When does the first batch of the Sukhoi 30 MKI arrive in India?
The Sukhoi 30 MKI is not in operation yet. We are just finishing the development with the Indian team in Russia. But we should be able to supply 10 Su 30 MKI by May-June.
* The First 2 MKIs were delivered to India on June 22, 2002
You are negotiating with China for the Sukhoi 30 aircraft. Will it have the same standard of preparation as the SU 30 MKI that is being supplied to India?
The plane for China is a different aircraft from a different company from the far east in Russia. It has different capabilities. The one for India is a much more advanced version. It is a new aircraft with a new radar and new engine. The plane for China is very much like the Sukhoi 30 that is already existing in India. The aircraft for India is the most advanced Russian aircraft, that is the SU 30 MKI. We are not negotiating the same for China.
* The Su-30MKKs are manufactured by KNAAPO and are considerably inferior to the MKI
There has been a great deal of talk about the fifth generation fighter. What are your plans for that?
It is just an idea right now. We are still discussing what will be the technology. What kind of an aircraft is needed by different air forces in the world? Which speed will it fly and what armament it will carry? What material to use for making it? It’ll certainly be a multi-role aircraft but we are still at a very preliminary stage of discussion.
We have to remember that it is not a plane just for India and Russia. It will be available for any country that has those aviation needs. We still don’t know what the size will be. No one knows whether it is a one engine or two engine plane. We do not have an idea of a time-frame either. For our needs — India and Russia — it will probably be ready for 2015-2020.
* India and Russia have decided 'in principle' to jointly develop the new fighter
Why do you say that?
Because the Sukhoi 30 MKI is very good. Besides, it can be upgraded in airborne equipment and armaments for future use. For the Indian Air Force this aircraft is good for the next 20-30 years.
You are saying the Su-30 MKI already comes close to the fifth generation aircraft?
It comes close to the fifth generation aircraft, certainly. This one must have a long life. We will upgrade it several times. We can upgrade it to the fifth generation standard. I think the need is to talk about the next generation of combat aircraft that can be this one.
* For example, the MKI radar, the N011M comes close to the N014, which was seen in the MiG MFI concept
There’s been an acceleration in joint collaboration between India and Russia in recent times. Given the level of military cooperation between the two shouldn’t it have happened earlier?
Russia has always been ready. This cooperation did not happen earlier because India was not yet ready. They did not have the experience and the level of industry and science was not high enough. Now, it is fine to join the world. The Indian air space industry is really good for joint development.
There is criticism that Russian military technology is inferior to western technology and so countries like India and others who have been traditional buyers should make a switch.
I see these reports as a type of competition. They are not right. If you want to know about Russian military technology ask your air force. They have been flying the Sukhoi 30 for five years, ask them, they have experience.
Civil aviation is different. There, the leaders are Americans and Europeans, companies like Boeing and Airbus Industrie. In military technology we are more advanced. But if Russia has to integrate into the world economy then we can’t be the best in all things. It is difficult to produce all products in the same country, we have to buy some technology. For instance, the Americans are better at engines and avionics. In some Russian aircraft we use western engines and avionics. To grow in quality we have to buy western engines.
Integration is about buying some things and selling some things. To have fusion. So I’d say western technology is better for civil aviation but for military aviation we have the same level of technology.
The Indian Express [April 23, 2002]
Alexey I. Fedorov, the president of the Irkutsk Aviation Industrial Association is better known as the Sukhoi chief. Fedorov is the man who will deliver to India the most advanced combat aircraft next month. Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov, during George Fernandes’ recent visit to Moscow, talked of developing the fifth generation fighter. But Fedorov, who calls the Sukhoi 30 MKI the closest thing to it, is no hurry to develop a fifth generation aircraft yet. Fedorov tells SONIA TRIKHA that this is the best plane, and that he wants to make this one last.
* Comments (like this one) added by VayuSena
When does the first batch of the Sukhoi 30 MKI arrive in India?
The Sukhoi 30 MKI is not in operation yet. We are just finishing the development with the Indian team in Russia. But we should be able to supply 10 Su 30 MKI by May-June.
* The First 2 MKIs were delivered to India on June 22, 2002
You are negotiating with China for the Sukhoi 30 aircraft. Will it have the same standard of preparation as the SU 30 MKI that is being supplied to India?
The plane for China is a different aircraft from a different company from the far east in Russia. It has different capabilities. The one for India is a much more advanced version. It is a new aircraft with a new radar and new engine. The plane for China is very much like the Sukhoi 30 that is already existing in India. The aircraft for India is the most advanced Russian aircraft, that is the SU 30 MKI. We are not negotiating the same for China.
* The Su-30MKKs are manufactured by KNAAPO and are considerably inferior to the MKI
There has been a great deal of talk about the fifth generation fighter. What are your plans for that?
It is just an idea right now. We are still discussing what will be the technology. What kind of an aircraft is needed by different air forces in the world? Which speed will it fly and what armament it will carry? What material to use for making it? It’ll certainly be a multi-role aircraft but we are still at a very preliminary stage of discussion.
We have to remember that it is not a plane just for India and Russia. It will be available for any country that has those aviation needs. We still don’t know what the size will be. No one knows whether it is a one engine or two engine plane. We do not have an idea of a time-frame either. For our needs — India and Russia — it will probably be ready for 2015-2020.
* India and Russia have decided 'in principle' to jointly develop the new fighter
Why do you say that?
Because the Sukhoi 30 MKI is very good. Besides, it can be upgraded in airborne equipment and armaments for future use. For the Indian Air Force this aircraft is good for the next 20-30 years.
You are saying the Su-30 MKI already comes close to the fifth generation aircraft?
It comes close to the fifth generation aircraft, certainly. This one must have a long life. We will upgrade it several times. We can upgrade it to the fifth generation standard. I think the need is to talk about the next generation of combat aircraft that can be this one.
* For example, the MKI radar, the N011M comes close to the N014, which was seen in the MiG MFI concept
There’s been an acceleration in joint collaboration between India and Russia in recent times. Given the level of military cooperation between the two shouldn’t it have happened earlier?
Russia has always been ready. This cooperation did not happen earlier because India was not yet ready. They did not have the experience and the level of industry and science was not high enough. Now, it is fine to join the world. The Indian air space industry is really good for joint development.
There is criticism that Russian military technology is inferior to western technology and so countries like India and others who have been traditional buyers should make a switch.
I see these reports as a type of competition. They are not right. If you want to know about Russian military technology ask your air force. They have been flying the Sukhoi 30 for five years, ask them, they have experience.
Civil aviation is different. There, the leaders are Americans and Europeans, companies like Boeing and Airbus Industrie. In military technology we are more advanced. But if Russia has to integrate into the world economy then we can’t be the best in all things. It is difficult to produce all products in the same country, we have to buy some technology. For instance, the Americans are better at engines and avionics. In some Russian aircraft we use western engines and avionics. To grow in quality we have to buy western engines.
Integration is about buying some things and selling some things. To have fusion. So I’d say western technology is better for civil aviation but for military aviation we have the same level of technology.
The Indian Express [April 23, 2002]
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